Simultaneous Interview II

by John Bullock and R.A. Riekki

This simultaneous interview is between the Ghost Road Press authors John Bullock and R.A. Riekki. Bullock's novel Making Faces was released by Ghost Road in 2008, the same year they released Riekki's novel U.P.(www.ghostroadpress.com):

RIEKKI: Who are your favorite experimental authors?

BULLOCK: What do you mean by experimental? Everything's an experiment. Saying that, Penn and Teller, and that thing that Kris Angel does when he levitates in front of gobsmacked kids in the stret. That's what I want to make happen with words. So, basically, I'm my favorite experimental author, plus the great Finnish mambo king R. A. Rosnicky. He moves me. As does Jacqueline Susann. So, what's the prettiest skateboard you ever saw?

RIEKKI: Easy answer. The first one I ever owned. Let me just back up and say this though--the only reason that skateboarding is so huge nowadays is because of Back to the Future. Tony Hawk owes his life to Michael J. Fox and Robert Zemeckis. I bought a skateboard because of that movie. A cheap one, rickety, orange, but a weak orange, a cheap orange, and my mom has a photo of me on that thing, wobbling. Our street where I grew up wasn't made for skateboarding. It was bumpy and sandy and with that type of skateboard impossible to ride on. So that skateboard rotted. But despite being a lumpenproletariat skateboard, I'd have to say it did have an element of pretty to it. By the way, one of my fave experimental authors is Crispin Glover. See how things just came full circle. George McFly as center of universe. So, John Bullock, author of Making Faces, available at www.ghostroadpress.com, you're currently reading The Kindness of Strangers: The Life of Tennessee Williams. You could be reading the Bible or James Joyce or did I mention the Bible. Why are you spending all these hours reading The Kindess of Strangers: The Life of Tennessee Williams. And one other thing, I heard you've been quoted as saying, "We could save the environment by doing one thing. Ending NASCAR. The most boring sport in the world that's not a sport that kills our environment for no reason except to make hillbillies have something to cheer for." Did you really say that? And don't you think you're being a little bit harsh

BULLOCK: I have sympathy for all kinds. That's why I'm reading this outdated Tennessee Williams biography, because I'm trying to learn something about the kindness of . . . hang on, it's Gordon Ramsay. TV. Peaches. "Will you stop that, for goodness' sake." Love handles. A baby rhino on my back. So, Tenneesse was this beautiful fierce flower like myself, amd I don't believe any purer poetry has been or could ever be writen for the canteen or bus stop or for a pair of zookeeper's pants. The Life of Kind Strangers is riddled with myxomatosis, which is like hallitosis for rabbits. "When was the last time you chopped a chilli?" "Never." "That's what worries me about chillies." I ask you. I'm scared of the fire too. Gorgeous smell, said Gordon Ramsay's zookeeper. Don't need to be scared of something. Just climb the ladder and . . . As the author of Making Faces and a big fan of the underground Finnish miracle "U. P. I'd like to know for certain whether Bruce Spunkstain died a slow, muscly but musicless death in an Illinois public library on Tuesday, or was I dreaming? Dies irae.

RIEKKI: Good question. I'm just not sure what it is. Which reminds me, any trepidations about writing experimental fiction? You're basically the Christoph Waltz of Ghost Road Press. How are you going to find an audience when the world loves Harry Potter and Twilight and shows about people dancing can't really dance that well. Please answer is seven words or less.

BULLOCK: I'm sick of these questions. Look, Making Faces is the best book ever written. If you haven't read it, you'll be doomed with a shower-less life. For God sake, what do you think this is? I'm sick of your questions. Go away.

Simultaneous Interview

by Ron Riekki & Rafeal Alvarez

Rafael Alvarez is a long-time Baltimore Sun reporter, author of Orlo and Leini, and a writer for HBO's The Wire. Ron Reikki has just published a novel U.P., (Ghost Road Press).

RIEKKI: List your top five experimental novels.

ALVAREZ: zen & the art of motorcycle maintenance, mostly because I'm still not sure if it's a novel and it took me to the next place in my rosebush to rosebush meditations.

you were largely unschooled and then self taught and then hyper schooled in the art of storytelling. do you think writers can invent themselves out of thin air at the public library?

RIEKKI: Absolutely.

Who's your favorite experimental jazz musician?

ALVAREZ: i don't like experimental music of any kind but the Mothers of Invention always did a good job of playing the sheet music Frank gave them. "Jazz isn't dead," said Zappa,"it just smells funny."

should libraries stock books that only a few folks are going to read or instead spend the money on 30 copies of the new james patterson novel?

RIEKKI: Screw James Patterson.

I know you're a Dylan fan. Do you see Dylan's lyrics as experimental? Is there a line from one of his songs that you find transcends typical lyric writing? What about the line do you find impressive? Can you put it in words?

ALVAREZ: Bob Dylan is an American troubadour. Nothing he does is experimental. It's all in the songbook Rod Stewart will never be able to find on the shelf.

Borges said the universe is one huge library - a labyrinth of stacks without end. Do you agree or disagree and why?

RIEKKI: I agree. There is an infinite amount of knowledge. That's a reason I went to school forever. I like to get lost in the labyrinth of knowledge. I used to love the University of Virginia library, because I could actually get lost down in its dungeons. I liked the smell--a cross of wisdom and paper. Do you think television writing can be experimental? Do you think The Wire was experimental compared to other television?

ALVAREZ: The Wire was old school storytelling - two parts Greek to one part Russian - married to an art form - series television - that has only existed for about 60 years or so. I think of the word experimental as folks who don't quite know what they're doing throw shit against the wall to see if it sticks. David Simon knew exactly what he was doing.

would you be willing to pay an increase in sales tax - say an extra penny per dollar purchase - if you knew it was going to fund public libraries?

RIEKKI: No. I'd do it though if it went into making Borders less of a Kafkaesque nightmare. U.P. was nominated by National Book Award winner John Casey for the Sewanee Writers' Series and Ann Beattie who is in Best American Short Stories of the Century called me up to personally tell me how much she loved the writing, but when I've contacted Borders and Books-A-Million about getting my novel into their stores, they've treated me like scum. I don't get that. You'd think if a bookstore would want to treat anyone well, it'd be an author. But those two stores are nightmares for quality small publishers. They've become corporate at a level that they've lost the sense that authors are people. Luckily, I've run into a ton of small bookstores who've been kind, receptive, and communal with me and my book--places like The Country Village Bookstore, The Gnu's Room Bookstore, Snowbound Books, The Touch of Finland, and Russo's Books have given me hope that bookstores understand if you want to encourage new writers to write, then you have to carry their books . . . and, you'll find their audience. My book has been Ghost Road Press's bestseller in fiction for 21 weeks now and that's despite complete rejection by Borders and Books-A-Million. I have to add though that B. Dalton and Barnes & Noble have been kind enough to put me in their local authors sections and I'm appreciative to them for that.

This would probably be your first internet mention of your Ghost Road Press contract for a non-fiction book you're writing. Ghost Road publisher Matt Davis is a fan of writing that operates outside of the mainstream. What will be your approach to writing the book? Do you feel being on Ghost Road that you can do anything you want, that you have more freedom than writing journalism or for TV?

ALVAREZ: I will get back to you with a much longer answer to this question. please remind me. What is the best/worst public library experience you've ever had.

RIEKKI: What first comes to mind under the worst category is--a library banned me from doing interviews at it. I was working as a freelance journalist and I quoted a librarian as saying "ain't" (she did, I have it on tape) and she had a fit that I'd represent her as someone as uneducated enough as to say "ain't." So they wouldn't let me do interviews at that library after that. I also got banned from a bar in that same city for another story I wrote. As far as the best experience--I had a girlfriend kiss me in a library once, sitting on my lap. It was the library at Brandeis. I found it incredibly romantic. There should be more kissing in libraries.